This is a real post from Toronto Craigslist. So strange that a guy would ask for a woman who wants kids and then offer to pay her to get pregnant and abandon them. Would that be the kind of guy you would want to raise your kids?

Short term relationship Reply to: removed Date: 2006-03-22, 1:27PM EST

Have you been thinking of having kids and not sure if you can carry the financial burden? I am looking for a surrogate mother to bear my own kid/’s and in return you would be compensated for your time. Should you like to meet up for a chat and possibly take it further, feel free to reply and take it from there.

Another Ad for a Surrogate Mom

I’m not out looking for these things. I was looking at the Vancouver Craigslist cause there was a telecommuting job. Then I wandered into the personal ads cause they are always interesting. I wondered if there was much difference with men in Vancouver versus Toronto. I think it’s a bit more arty out there. Not much else of difference though. I was surprised to find the ad below. But, at least he isn’t intending to pay off the Mother and have her disappear. He seems to want a family but is looking for a short cut. My take on it anyway.

Looking for a pretty girl for Surrogacy Reply to: removed Date: 2006-03-21, 12:35PM PST

Hi,

I am an Asian graduate student in Vancouver, 175cm, 68kg, smart, healthy, nice, and for sure handsome. I am looking for a girl (specificly 18-28 years old, 165cm+, beautiful, smart, healthy and nice) whose race is different from me (Caucasian is prefered), for romantic and meaningful love and, possibly, its “product”: a baby. By the way, I am serious and responsible for the coming child and the mom.

Your pic will get mine, if you are interested.

Hope this will not disturb you. Thanks.

[bbe] Father, if it is your pleasure, take this cup from me: but still, let your pleasure, not mine, be done.

• this is in or around Vancouver

Comments (cut and pasted from the old blog this was originally posted to.)

At first, it hit me as really strange too, but as a single lady who never had a chance to have a family of my own, as much as I wanted one, I can kinda understand where he’s coming from. And it’s gotta be worse for a guy, since he can’t have the child himself. At least I could’ve if I chose to go that route. Comment by skye

I understand that part too. But, if he feels such a need to have kids why does he expect he can pay off the Mother and have her disappear. Also, why doesn’t he WANT the kids Mother to be around? Most women would want at the very least, contact with their kids. Would you give birth and then disappear with your pay cheque? Those would be YOUR kids, no matter what the arrangements you made with him are. I think it’s very strange. I would like to have kids, even still. But not this way. No way. I want to know my kids and have them know me. Comment by ThatGrrl

I never said I would be able to give them up. But, really, in a way, it’s like a woman giving up a child for adoption. Everyone has their reasons for doing so, and some are just very passionate about helping anyone they can to have a child. Some people don’t do it just for the money. Comment by skye

Putting the money issue aside. Don’t you think it’s odd that he wants to keep the kids but get rid of the Mother? Comment by ThatGrrl

No, I don’t. It’s not like he has feelings for this woman. If she stayed in the picture, she might want to have a say in how the kid was raised, which may go totally against how he wanted it raised. Comment by skye — March 23, 2006

I just had another idea for a mini project or possibly an article, assuming I find the right niche/ market.

Once upon a time I wrote for the HerPlanet network. There is no point in adding a link there cause the whole thing is now gone. Sad to see it go. Anyway, the women who managed the sites (I did a site for writers called HerCorner) would also chat about life, the network and everything on an email list, just for us grrls. Anyway, when referring to their husbands (beloved or not so beloved) they called them DH. If you were guessing would you assume DH was darling husband or darned husband?

For some reason my mind flashed on that old tidbit. I wonder (I'm sure there are) other ways women politely and not so politely refer to their husbands and significant others in code. I will post what I find. But, I think the husband types should bypass this thread. Wouldn't want to hurt their feelings or get their undies in a knot. It's just for fun.

I was skimming/ reading another blog and one of the posts about a post was some guy raving about boycotting marriage cause women were evil and there was no sex after marriage. The usual silliness.

It had me thinking. First, the marriage boycott works both ways. Secondly, who has more reason to boycott marriage these days than we do? The days of women at home and men working are pretty over. Women work, women cook, women clean, women kill their own bugs, get step ladders to reach the high shelves and we can have an orgasm without a man being in the room. So, where does that leave modern man?

If he isn't contributing to the running of the household, is he just another thing to be cleaned and maintained? Bringing in a pay cheque isn't enough. Women who have a job and come home and clean the house, cook the dinner, take care of kids and then get told it's time to wake up and have sex, might not see the good point in having a man around the house.

Men need to put out. I don't mean sex. Put out the garbage, wash the clothes, tidy the kitchen, pick up the dry cleaning, vacuum the rugs, walk the dog, get the kids out of the house early on Saturday morning and then wake up for sex too. It's being part of a couple, rather than a woman and her self contained sex toy. Sex isn't enough, women want someone to come home to with a smile. The guy that makes us smile and glad to see him. That's they guy we want to come home to, that's the guy we want to wake up beside and do all kinds of wicked, wanton shameless things to. Things you wouldn't discuss with anyone but him.

Why is there so little online content just for boys. I searched on Goggle and found clothes and clothes and clothes available to buy. Well, thats not my idea of Just for Boys!!

I know there are boys online. Where do they like to go, what do they like to see and how do they surf the net? Is there a secret club, no girls allowed?

I did find the Boy Scouts of America. I would guess boys like the game sites too. There are too many of those to list. Just type in online games in the Google web search and you will find plenty to start with. Most commercial sites like Lifesavers and McDonalds have good online games for kids, boys included.

What else do boys do online? So far, I don't know.